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Wegmans must be one amazing store or somebody may be exaggerating.

Posted by Ed C on Monday, October 8, 2007

I have never been to a Wegmans (I grew up with Giant Eagle and Thorofare.) So when I heard that Wegmans was looking to come to Columbia along Snowden River, my first reaction was “a what”, followed quickly by the general traffic concerns. However, the more that I read about the store and the reaction of the labor unions that are opposing it, the more I’m looking forward to it opening.

My goal when shopping is usually to get in and out as quickly as possible. I even try to gage the length of the lines when I walk in to decide if I need to keep below 15 items. And it really does not matter if its a Giant or a Safeway, whatever happens to be closest. So, the idea of a 160,000 sq. ft., multiple floor grocery store probably will not fit into my general shopping pattern.

The Baltimore Sun story Panel decision on Wegmans is appealed got me thinking how wonderful can this store really be? Well, according to Ellicott City resident and union leader Buddy Mays, it must be some store:

“What happens with these size stores, they draw from as much as a 25-mile radius. They can destroy any store in that path,” said Mays, president of United Food and Commercial Workers International Union Local 27, which represents grocery workers.

Really? That good? A 25 mile radius - in this area?

According to the Maryland Department of Planning, in 2000 the population density of Howard county was 983.4 per square mile (Anne Arundel - 1177.2, Baltimore county 1,260.1, Montgomery - 1,762.5 and Prince George’s - 1,651.1), so being conservative, let’s just use the numbers for Howard county. The area of a circle with a 25 mile radius is ~1963 square miles. That’s a population of ~1,930,414!

With nearly 2 million people that would be ~605,145 families (MD average family size in 2000 was 3.19). And a single Wegmans can destroy any store within that path? That is either (a) a really great store, (b) the other stores really stink, or (c) someone is over-stating things a little.


Another quote in the story that has me scratching my head. A second grocery store union group is also opposing the Zoning Board ruling that will permit the Wegmans on the grounds that it would open the door for other big-box stores:

“Big boxes don’t bring good, high-paying jobs. Ninety-nine percent of the people who live in Columbia don’t work in big boxes. [Those workers] can’t afford to live in Columbia,” said Torrey Jacobsen Jr., executive director of the Mid-Atlantic Retail Food Industry Joint Labor Management Fund.

First, I don’t think the high cost of living in Columbia is due to Wegmans (or Walmart, Target…) or any other “big-box store.” The unemployment rate in MD is ~4% (2.7% in Howard as of Aug 2007) so, Wegmans is going to have to pay a market wage that is competitive within the region if they want to get any workers.

In 2004, Safeway CEO Steven Burd said this in a Q/A with the San Francisco Chronicle:

Q: You paint a gloomy picture of what’s happening to the American worker. Is it inevitable that the standard of living for working people is going to fall?


A: I wouldn’t characterize it as a gloomy view. We’re in a unique business. I trust there are few industries and companies in the United States where you could get a job at age 16, and you could work your way through high school; if you wanted to, you could go to college and work your way through college, and you’d come out possibly as an assistant manager. We pay more for an assistant manager than anybody coming out of college with anything but an engineering degree. (Editor’s note: A Safeway spokesman put that salary at $45,000-$60,000.)

Q: Will your new workers be able to have middle-class lifestyles and aspirations?


A: Here’s what I think happens to the worker that is paid a market wage when they come in new: Unless they have the ambition to make this a career, they’ll probably work a couple of years (and) transition through. Some people like to pretend we can pay an above-market wage and somehow survive.

If these market dynamics apply to Safeway, why would they not apply to a Wegmans? Wouldn’t a Wegmans help keep the cost of living in Columbia lower?

And what does any of this have to do with the Zoning approval that was granted?

So, as one of those 99% in Columbia that does not work in a Big box, I’m looking forward to being able to shop in one.

24 Responses to “Wegmans must be one amazing store or somebody may be exaggerating.”

  1. Brian Griffiths Says:

    Wegman’s is a high-end store, so it is not necessarily going to keep prices down. However, it will certainly bring in people from 25+ miles away. I’m already looking forward to this one so I won’t have to drive to the one in Hunt Valley…

  2. More Stores? Says:

    Now if we could just get a Trader Joes

  3. Ed C Says:

    The last I heard, Trader Joe’s is going to open within a few months (Nov?) at the new center (Gateway Overlook?) at 108 and 95. The Best Buy opened there in July and the Lowes is now open.

  4. AB Says:

    Yes, a Trader Joe’s will be opening in Gateway Overlook. I’m rather excited for the addition of and Wegmans (which is definitely is an amazing store).

  5. timactual Says:

    If they are going to draw from 25 miles around, they are going to need one heck of a lot of parking. And multifloor? It should be interesting to see how they handle the cart traffic between floors.

  6. Third Eye Says:

    Timactual- Ever been to a 2 floor Target? The one in Gaithersburg has special cart escalators. So cool.

  7. Mark Says:

    Must consume more.
    Need more stores in my town.
    Build more stores, please.
    Must consume more…

  8. timactual Says:

    “Timactual- Ever been to a 2 floor Target?”

    Nope. One floor of junk is sufficient for me. Cart escalators, eh? I was thinking elevators. That might be interesting to see. I wonder how they would look in a movie chase scene?

    “Must consume more….”

    That’s the spirit! Spoken like a true American! We are all Keynesians now!

  9. Andy Dufresne Says:

    Love the 2nd floor Target.
    Trader Joes is at 175 & 108 about 1 mile west of Route 1.

    Looking forward to Wegmans. Especially since Giant food is sucking big time. It’s becoming a ghetto grocery store.

  10. Del-v Says:

    Where was the resistance when the Wal-Mart opened in Columbia? That didn’t seem to bother the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union Local 27. Wal-Mart is the nations largest retailer and is as anti-union as they get.

  11. General Zod Says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    What exactly is a “ghetto grocery store”?

  12. timactual Says:

    There is also a Trader Joe’s on Reistertown Rd. in Pikesville, just off 695.

  13. Susan Walters Says:

    I live right near where they are planning on building the Wegmans in Columbia and I am not happy about it at all.

    The traffic is going to be nightmare. I spoke with a friend who lives near a Wegmans and she said that Wegmans ignored the traffic concerns of residents in her neighborhood. Even though a traffic expert pointed out problems with the local roads and problems with their traffic study before they built the store. Now, she says there are accidents regularly near the store.

    While they might be pretty stores, I just don’t trust them or developers.

  14. Buffalo Guy Says:

    Like so many others in this area, I am a transplant from Western New York (home of Wegman’s), and now live in Ellicott city. I am thrilled about Wegman’s moving here. I really just don’t understand the paranoia surrounding a new grocery store. Is size really the issue? I work at a union print shop, and would be thrilled if we could prevent a new printer from opening it’s doors. But that would be illegal. The size/traffic argument seems like a shallow excuse to drive away formidable competition. C’mon, this is America, stop feeling sorry for Giant and Safeway and do what the rest of us have to do. Lower your prices, and provide better service. Competition is what made America, and in large part, the unions.

  15. cynthia vaillancourt Says:

    Like Buffalo Guy I also like Wegman’s - and I also have to shake my head at the thought process of using “the gomnt” to benefit the commercial interests of one company at the expense of free-market competition.

    And though I don’t think keeping large/new/good/attractive stores from providing competition is the way to do it —- I would dearly love to see the “village” concept of having the necessities of daily life available close to each neighborhood continue to succeed - in fact, be enhanced - for a number of reasons.

    Obviously it is more convenient to do one’s grocery shopping close to home - and it is more cost efficient to do those quick stops for milk and bread at a regular grocery store than at the “convenience stores”…. but from a “sustainable living”
    point of view - I would rather people be able to limit their cross county excursions for less frequent shopping trips (say, furniture, cars) and not end up in a situation where we all have to drive across the county for decent grocery shopping.
    As it is the dearth of decent restaurants in many of the “village centers” mean families frequently drive 20 minutes or more to go out for a “quick” dinner.
    Sure, 20 minutes isn’t really that far - but it is not the 3-5 minutes to the average village center — and when gasoline is $7 or 8 dollars per gallon - or we all just get sick of the waste and excess of driving all over the place for basic necessities - having truly local access will be valuable again.

    cindy v

  16. Doug Says:

    Hi, I happened upon this site and I live in Niagara Falls, NY. We have plenty of their stores in this area and you will love Wegmans. The stores look upscale, but the prices are lower than all of their competitors here. They make going to the store fun, this is coming from someone who hates shopping.
    Also, I see where someone mentions a second floor. The way they have them set up here is that the second floor isn’t a full second floor, but contains a decent amount of seating, they have a lot of prepared foods and a coffee bar, so the upstairs sections is basically for people to hangout out (yes, people actually do hangout at their stores), they also have bands and events in the upstairs area. It will be unlike any grocery store you have there and I think everyone will be happy after they open.

  17. jpw Says:

    the competion for consumers will be interesting and exciting to watch as wegmans opens a year later than the new harris teeter store in kings contrivance village. it can only be benificial to the consumer to have two upscale grocery stores vying for their dollars,as the stores will be only be three miles from each other.

  18. Ed C Says:

    The Trader Joe’s is no longer a rumor - It’s now open.

  19. Dave Says:

    If the area is zoned for commercial use, it is perfectly legal to put a Wegmans store there. Saying that traffic will be an issue is not going to keep someone else from developing there. Columbia is notorious for keeping commerical and residential zoning separate, so looking at the area where the store will be located seems to me to be far from any residential housing. I cannot see how somone could claim to live close to that store when there are no houses in the vicinity. The location in Hunt Valley is part of a huge shopping center, so traffic will inevitably be high in that area. I agree that the competition is great and also the Columbia area has never been given a superior grocery store, such as Wegmans, to help drive down prices and provide a great line of new products. The Snowden/McGaw intersection has already seen a lot of development with the Atlanta Bread Company/Greene Turtle/ZPizza Shopping Center, so I think the location is fine.

  20. Jess Says:

    I find it disturbing that so many people continue to support employers like Wegmans and Wal-Mart moving into communities. These stores seem attractive because of the size, and selection but what about the quality of life they offer to employees? Are the taxpayers not exhausted of paying health care for wal-mart employees? Union members not only have a fair wage, and health benefits but more importantly job security. What do Wegmans and Wal-Mart offer? Do they fulfill their promise to be good neighbors? Even more disturbing… After the stores have been built, the BMW’s, Lexus’ and other expensive cars that battle to find a parking space just to save a few dollars.

  21. Dorothy Says:

    I read that Balt. Sun article and the quote from someone that “lived nearby.” I’ve been in Columbia since 1974 and there’s not a residence anywhere near the proposed Wegmans so that’s b.s. I can’t believe Columbia hasn’t had a high-end grocery store in all these years. I’m tired of Safeway and Giant - bring it on!

  22. Buffalo Guy Says:

    Just had to correct Jess (Jan 4th)on a couple issues. I think it’s grossly unfair for people to compare Walmart to Wegmans. Primarily for the fact that Wegmans topped Fortune Magazines list of “Fortune 500 Companies - Best Places to Work” in 2005. Oh, and they were #2 in 2006, and #3 in 2007. Not too shabby since this list has some pretty impressive companies on it. I don’t think future employees of Wegmans will be complaining too much about benefits or working conditions.

    Also Jess - there’s nothing wrong with saving a few dollars. How do you think the people driving the Beemers and Lexuses were able to afford them in the first place.

    Cut and paste the following: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2007/index.html

  23. Bello Says:

    Just wait! Wegmans is the best grocery store on earth, there is nothing that even compares! I grew up in Western New York as well, and I love Wegmans. Not only do they provide EXCELLENT products, but the service is OUTSTANDING! You will never have an unpleasant trip to Wegmans.

    With regard to the prices, yes it is a bit high end - but the price and the product are still extraordinary. I currently live in NYC and I drive to the New Jersey store in order to do my grocery shopping. Not only do I still save money (even after paying for gas and toll/bridge fees) but I always have a great experience there.

    You will LOVE the store, congrats on getting your first Wegmans.

    PS- I have been to Trader Joes, it doesn’t compare. Sure, its nice and certainly better than most grocery chains in this area, but it doesn’t come close to Wegmans.

    PPS- I don’t work for Wegmans, but I wish I did! They are one of the top companies in the country to work for! All you high schoolers out there, start applying now - they also provide scholarships!

  24. Dave Says:

    Jess, comparing Wal-Mart to Wegmans is like comparing Ponderosa to Morton’s. They both serve steak but the latter offers higher quality and customer service. My comparison doesn’t include price, but Wegamans manages to remain competitive with their prices as well, so their niche is offering quality products at a fair price. The success of 70+ stores in the chain demonstrates that they’ve appealed to customers’ tastes and their wallets. Buffalo Guy hit the nail on the head, they care about their employees and Fortune Magazine recognizes them on a yearly basis as being one of the top companies to work for. I can’t think of a better way to get involved in the Howard County community than to give the teenagers in this area a great start to their future careers. Seeing the quality of service from the Union workers at Giant has been pretty disappointing over the years. Also, the young people working there seem equally disappointed to be working there. The collegiate scholarship program that Wegmans offers is $1,500 per year in the form of a check to students who apply and meet GPA and working hour requirements in a given calendar year. My sister earned a scholarship for all four years of her undergrad which she used on tuition and books. So instead of collecting union dues from teenage workers as Giant does, Wegmans gives teenage employees a solid start to paying for school.

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