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McCain-Palin ?

Posted by Jim Walsh on Friday, August 29, 2008

As I write this (Friday morning), John McCain has not yet announced his running mate.  My hope, and prediction is that he will name Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.  Not a household name, and she’s not going to add her home state to McCain’s electoral tally (Alaska, after Utah, is about as red-state as it gets).  But she is smart, conservative, principled and (shallow me) attractive (a former beauty queen).

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17 Responses to “McCain-Palin ?”

  1. Kem White said

    Wow. Good call.
    K-

  2. David W. Keelan said

    Great call

  3. General Zod said

    Does Gov. Sarah Palin honestly put America first?

    If you’re unfamiliar with the Alaskan Independence Party check it out here:

    http://www.akip.org/platform.html

    She is a certified nut job.

  4. Zod,

    She is a nut job for what reason? Welcoming a convention to her State? Did you even listen to her message?

    She is not a member nor has never been a member of this party.

    Are you casting stones?

  5. cynthia vaillancourt said

    Mrs. Palin may well be a nut job, but not simply by virtue of her husband’s political registry nor from her attendance at meetings for the AIP or even fro her willingness to address this group as a candidate or an elected official.

    I’m not sure whether or not she was officially a member is a particularly good test of her agreement with the AIG policies.

    Personally I don’t know enough about her yet to decide whether I believe her to be a nut job or not.

    I’m not sure whether I believe her to be someone I’d like to see in the white house either. But it is not looking promising.

    cindy v

  6. General Zod said

    She endorsed a party that wants to secede from the union. I don’t know about you but I find that a little nutty.

    Her husband belonged to the party and endorsed their beliefs but I guess he is off limits.

    Oh wait a minute didn’t the GOP and conservatives pounce on Michelle Obama?

    The hypocrisy amazes me. All of the sudden experience does not matter and spouses are allowed to belong to fringe groups who hate the USA.

    Palin may be a woman but she can not hide her record or what little of it there is behind her gender.

  7. cindy vaillancourt said

    If you believed that Michelle Obama was “off limits” – then the other candidates spouses should be as well, whether the “other side” behaved badly or not.

    The biggest hypocrisy is to denounce certain actions when committed by one side, then endorse them when “your side” uses them using a “tit for tat” argument as justification.

    I suspect it is true that Mrs. Palin was an active and enthusiastic member of the AIP, but time will tell if she actually endorsed the “nuttier” planks of the group (i hope). I would prefer a candid and accurate statement from the candidate herself – but in this age of video and audio recordings, if she says one thing and is shown to have done another we will have some evidence of her character.

    I understand there is already one such example in the case of the pressure exerted by her office in the matter of her ex-brother-in=law. She said no calls were made then a recording was produced. That gives me pause…. though she was not the one on the recording.

    I am sympathetic to your exasperation, Zod —- but in the case of Mrs. Palin, I suspect that taking the high road and examining each clue to her character, beliefs and actions will paint a more persuasive picture than cluttering the facts with so much emotion.

    cindy v

  8. timactual said

    Apparently she is not now, and has never been, a member of the AIP.

    “Now the main source for the story that Sarah Palin was a party member is backing off his earlier claims”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4409075.shtml

    From the video, about the only thing about the AIP that she endorses is their support of the state Constitution;

    “I have always said that competition is so good and that applies to political parties as well.
    I share your party’s vision of upholding the Constitution of our great state…”

    ********
    “Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, “Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time.”

    Clark on Tuesday night said that she had been mistaken.”

    “Rogers says that Palin didn’t attend the AIP convention in 1994, “but she visited them when they had their convention in Wasilla in 2000 as a courtesy since she was mayor.” ”

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

    Five minutes or less on Google.

  9. Cindy,

    Thank you.

    Zod,

    Maybe you are right. Lets rip the Obama, McCain, Biden, and Palin families to shreds. Every innuendo is welcome. Every unsubstantiated rumor is fair game no matter how quickly Tim Actual can knock it down. Did you know Michelle Obama wears boxer shorts and so does Palin?

    Zod, tell us where you really stand.

  10. General Zod said

    Fact:

    Palin’s husband was a member of the AIP until 2002. He belonged to the party for 7 years. Would you join a party that advocated this?

    The AIP founder, Joe Vogler, made these comments in 1991:

    “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government,” Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

    “And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. “I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”

    Gov. Sarah Palin has repeatedly reached out to the AIP even though she has not belonged to the party. Sorry but what is she doing speaking at their convention when they support hatred for the United States and curse the American Flag?

    Fact:

    Religious zealotry anyone? Palin believes that the war in Iraq was God’s plan.

    “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God” – “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

  11. cynthia vaillancourt said

    Dear Zod,

    Sarah Palin may well be the best thing that has happened to “politics” in a long time in that her presence will make thinking people actually think…. and evaluate some of the beliefs they hold dear but have not had to exercise.

    For example- people of differing opinions or level of enthusiasm can live together in harmony, ie Mr and Mrs Palin. His political beliefs do not HAVE to be a reflection of hers. I expect that consideration for myself – so I will have to extend it to her.

    ie.- as an elected official in a representative government she has an absolute obligation to “reach out” to even the fringe groups in her community to understand their positions whether she chooses to forward them or not. The “to the victor go the spoils” mentality that has pervaded American politics for the last several years is WRONG. Whoever is elected this time will hopefully do a better job of acknowledging that he is entrusted with the obligation t act in the best interest of ALL the people – not just the ones he agrees with or the ones who voted for him. We’ll all make that easier if we don’t beat them up when they “cross party lines” to do it.

    Finally – the “God Plan”. Now here we have something substantive to make some decisions on. There are direct quotes from the candidate stating these kinds of opinions and values. If you happen to be a person who fins those thoughts comforting and believe the US Government should be making decisions based on what the president thinks is “Gods Plan” – by all mean, vote for this ticket.

    If, on the other hand, it makes you uncomfortable —- then don’t.

    At least with the God platform we have something factual to go on.

    I believe there will be more.

    Cindy V

  12. pzguru said

    Zod,

    One BIG difference between Mr. Palin and Mrs. Obama is that Mr. Palin is not out at campaign speeches attacking the other candidates they way that Mrs. Obama has done, and is still doing. Once Michelle Obama starts the attacks on Bush, McCain, or any other politician, then she has chosen to enter into the political ring and I do think then it is fair for the opposition to fire back at her.

    As for the AIP crap that you disingeniously threw at the fan, now that that myth has been easily and obviously dispelled, are you going to offer a retraction or an “oops, my bad”? It’s ok to admit you were wrong:)

    What about Obama’s association with Ayers, and the other radicals that were his mentors? Talk about nut jobs. Ayers apparently attacked this Country with bombs, which seems a lot worse than if Todd Palin was a member in a group that is/was trying to secede from the US.

    The more people attack Sarah Palin, the more it makes me believe that she IS the right person for the VP job.

  13. cynthia vaillancourt said

    PZGuru-
    Is guilt by association going to be accepted or not? I hate to think what kind of picture would be painted of me if the personalities and philosophies of everyone I ever knew, had a class with, or associated with had to be applied to me.

    Political wives have been out stumping the party line for many generations now — and to some degree or other they all eventually get around to disparaging the opposing side. And to some extent or other most end up on the receiving end of some hateful and ignorant personal attacks…. though if memory serves, Barabara Bush and aura Bush have been somewhat more lightly treated than Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton and now Michelle Obama. What about the Trumans? or for that matter Eleanor Roosevelt or Mary Todd Lincoln? Now there are some families who took it on the chin.

    For my money, if everyone keeps it focused on the actions, policies and proposals and avoids purely personal traits then we will all be better off.

    You might also note that the only other official “potential first dude” was Geraldine Ferraro’s hubby who was never on stage but who ended up being burned by the spotlight anyway.

    Todd Palin has a fairly blank slate when it comes to precedent. If the handlers are smart they’ll keep him off the stage.

    Cindy V

  14. General Zod said

    Oops? Nothing I said is false. I never said Sarah Palin belonged to the AIP. I said she associated herself with them by promoting the party. There is a difference.

    Clearly if guilty by association is good enough for Obama then it should be good enough for Palin. But I think there is more to the Palin AIP story than Barack and Ayers. I never once heard Barack come out and support Ayers’s activities.

    Palin has pretty much received a free pass this week. Lets see how she handles herself once her campaign allows her to speak to the media or vice versa. Why is the McCain campaign so protective? Is she just another George W.? Typically when a campaign attacks the media like Palin did last night they are more than likely consider themselves behind.

  15. General Zod said

    Sorry for my typos. 🙂

  16. pzguru said

    I think the “guilt by association” question depends on several factors. How long was the association/relationship? Is it still current? What were the circumstances for the ending of the association if it’s not still in tact? It could be that people join a “group” or an “association” but don’t fully understand what the group is really about until they go to meetings or conventions and hear/see how the other members conduct themselves. And then they could cancel their membership. I don’t know the circumstances in Todd Palin’s case, and frankly, I don’t view it as concern.

    On the other hand, Obama’s association for 20 years with certain pastors and other folk with terrorist leanings and marxist philosophical viewpoints, DOES concern me a lot.

    I honestly can’t ever think of a time when Laura Bush or Barbara Bush ever directly criticized or blasted a specific person in the opposing party. If someone wants to refute or rebut what the wives or family members say, then I think that is ok.

  17. timactual said

    ” Would you join a party that advocated this?”

    Advocated what?
    “1. To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.”

    You object to that? Have you actually read the link you posted?

    “they support hatred for the United States and curse the American Flag?”

    I am sure you have evidence of this. Certainly nothing in the party platform at the link you provided supports your accusation. Perhaps you would care to share your evidence with us. Perhaps you can also share the source of your quote. It isn’t that difficult.

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